Pride – sin 1 of 7
PRIDE – the first of ‘The 7 deadly sins’ In a sermon series given at St.George’s, Leeds called ‘The Changing Room’ we are encouraged to see the danger of these sins and, with God’s help, to change! These short clips are given to encourage you to buy the full double DVD set from www.sermonvideos.co.uk or www.audio-bibles.co.uk and see what God has to say to you about the seven deadly sins.
This DVD series will be available after the 15th of December 2008
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@StaulkHolm God …
@StaulkHolm God can’t be said to be full of pride in any evil or selfish sense because all the power and glory is His and He has no need to show off and big himself up! The only sense you could use the word ‘pride’ in connection with God would be if you were to talk about the joy and satisfaction He receives from His creation and work of salvation.
i think someone who …
i think someone who has the most pride would be god.
It’s been fun to …
It’s been fun to talk, thank you for your questions, I hope my answers will prove to be of some value at some point.
May the Lord lead you so that in the end you discover that you are the prey and His is the hunter!
saio-nara
Now I seem to be …
Now I seem to be satisfied. I thank you for all the data you’ve given me. I’ll make sure this is put to good use. Yes, and fond fare well. Or adios, where ever your from. Also, its wiser to find answers by falsification and testability, rather than our fancy. By the way by doing the thing you suggested is how I came before you know, saio-nara (if that’s how you say it).
Our choice of …
Our choice of philosophy/religion seems to me to be based on our choice of morality – maybe the question to start with is ‘what do I really want?’ Then we can examine why we reach the conclusions we make. Real honesty in the answer to this question will test the deepest motives of an individule. So, rather than arguing about God, maybe it would be wiser to start with questioning our own deepest motives and moralities. God will only be found when we really want to look for Him -whatever the cost.
But you’ve never …
But you’ve never acutally seen him. Subjectivity at its very heart is unatual or non-objective. Egro, should be ignored. Truth is not what you make of it. Truth is not your home or mine. Seeking the truth is examining, knowing, then understanding. Either you know it or you don’t. Even in black and white there are variations. These variations are abitary yes, but don’t by any means discover truth. However, this would be about the time I hear more circular logic, which is arbitary.
To know and be …
To know and be known – an interesting phrase, my understanding of it is far more than the word ‘know’ or ‘knowledge’ can cover. I ‘know’ about God because I have an incredibly well reasoned book to study which tells me about Him – the Bible. However, I also claim (and I guess you would call this subjective) that I ‘know’ Him in the sense of the experientail. It is more than knowing about God it is at its very heart a deep and dare I say ‘passionate’ (as in loving) 2 way relationship.
Its more of a …
Its more of a paradox. A paradox is self-contradicting and is a romanitic in its own right. But you’re trying to affirm conformation bias. Knowing is reason and understanding is reason. They’re all pretty much one in the similers. Believeing in the absense of evidence does not give evidence. I shouldn’t accept it until I know and until then I can’t understand it. The real truth of it all is more or less a reversal and refusal. Also, don’t leave yourself to unidentified feelings, not good for you
Maybe it seems like …
Maybe it seems like an oxymoron but you cannot know untill you accept, and you cannot examine and understand truely until you take a step of faith and trust that what God reveals about Himself is true.
Truth comes from God and the Bible is His self-reverlation in both the sense of His nature and His dealings with man. He is knowable, but only on His terms – because all other explainations are mans vanity. And so, you come to faith – the point where mere head knowledge becomes heart knowledge.
Your point? Then …
Your point? Then that means you don’t know what you god is, isn’t, does, don’ts, pros, cons, whys, wheres, hows whens, or even smells? Y’know that saying “too much philosophy makes a guy mad”. Well, its not too far from the truth or what we percieve as truth. Anyways if your god is beyond little old me’s understanding then why even practice the bible or any religion? But if you don’t reduce it then how can examine? And if I can’t examine it how in the great cheese am I suppose to learn it?!
Your problem is …
Your problem is trying to access the inaccessable through your own intelect. God can’t be found through our own wisdom, He will not have it! He will only be found through His own self-reverlation. In other words, you cannot have God on your own terms – as the omipotent absolutely Holy reality, it would reduce Him to a demi-god to be found in the wisdom of a fallen and sinful humanity. So, I cannot have God on my terms either – I must trust Him for both the bits I get and the bits I don’t – yet..
Because the pain of …
Because the pain of the world tells a different story. To be frank with no I don’t think a god or any god exists. The are two reasons I’m humoring the thought. One it provides an indeot ontological look at our existence and shows contradiction is ethics and logics of believers.Two, I said it earlier its fun to imagine. Its not hard to believe actually, lots of people believ in a kind god but he probably doesn’t exists. Powerful yet purposeless, that’s your god or an incessent brat. You tell me.
It’s interesting to …
It’s interesting to me that you see the reality of ‘a god’ as something true and yet you cannot accept that there is any chance that the God I speak of could be good, loving and kind! He is real, yes, but your understanding seems to be directed not by what reveals about Himself and the world but by a desire to blame someone of something for the pain the world feels. Could it be that this God I speak of actually cares about the world and want to solve it’s problems? Why is that hard to believe?
The world, all that …
The world, all that suffering and kills his own son. Not to mention killed by the toys he broke through his neglection. All that is cruel. What’s beautiful about is the delivery that you’re trying peddle. Then you must admit all life is a plaything for a god. Far being it for me to accept a master so inately evil its something to frame as immortal in concept because you can’t kill a concept. Then again its fun to imagine. You and me are in the same boat floating on sadist sensualism for a god.
Beauty, yes, cruel, …
Beauty, yes, cruel, no. That God loves me so much He would go to the lenghts of sending His own Son to die in my place so that the power of sin can start to be beaten and reversed in my life and so I can be set free to know God right now and be certain of an eternity with Him – that is beauty beyond description and real love. Cruel can only be got to if my choice is to reject God and then somehow I stand in judgement on Him!!! It’s a twisted view because the created judges the creator.
That’s the cruel …
That’s the cruel beauty of it all isn’t it?
I guess you’re …
I guess you’re asking about ‘original sin’ or the seemingly inbuilt nature of human beings to reject the good will of God? And while I know the theology of ‘original sin’ I think the ‘coal face’, or where we experience the problem of failure, is in the nature of our choices. We choose to go our won way and do our own thing. We fail by choice – but I guess it is true to say we fail by choice because we are pre-dispossed to fail. Jesus came to start to reverse that failure and give us power to win
How did we fail?
How did we fail?
I guess why is …
I guess why is important, but at a more practical level the propblem is that regardless of why – we don’t keep God’s standards.
For example, He says ‘don’t lie’ and yet we lie – that simple fact means we are guilty regardless of the why. And, once guilty how can we become unguilty unless someone else takes the punishment we deserve for failing to keep God’s law? Because, unless the dept is paid for our failure we would not be able to enter the presence of God as HIs Holiness would destroy us.
And why aren’t we …
And why aren’t we able to meet those certain standards?
The word ’sin’ is …
The word ’sin’ is an archery term and means to miss the target. Our guilt is the ’sin’ of missng being what God made us to be. When we fail to reach His will for us as human beings – or in other words – when we fail to be all that God made us to be. We are guilty of failing God’s standards.
To this, I suspect you will say it is unfair of God to demand we meet unrealistic standards? And that is why God sent Jesus because He knew we couldn’t – but because God’s Holy the standards can’t change.
What exactly are we …
What exactly are we gulity of?
Yes, in one sense …
Yes, in one sense it is forcing a choice on us, we have to choose to accept or not. The issue is truth. If this offer of forgiveness through Jesus really is true, then we must believe what Jesus Himself said about it which is that He is the only way to God. So, elaborate or not, if it is true then it is the only way to peace with God and so we are forced simply to choose to accept or reject. We accept that God really loves us and wants us with Him, or reject it and believe we know best – choice!
But in this case …
But in this case you can only have one dish. Choosing the others, many others. You are coerced into making a choice. Which basically denies you free will to begin with. This is more sounding a tyrant forcing others through an elaborate scheme.
I think that maybe …
I think that maybe the answer comes back to real choices and consequences. The tree was a real choice with real consequences. The choice to eat had real end results in their lives and in ours. In other words it was a real choice.
As for Satan, I guess the same thing is true. God doesn’t want anyone’s worship if they don’t really choose to give it. Satan must have also had a choise to disobey and did so. It all comes down to how we respond – that’s why we aren’t being played – we have a choice.